Sexism and Indie Hip Hop
[Note: this is a piece I wrote a while back that I wanted to re-publish today for some personal reasons. While I was very excited (and grateful) to play Soundset this year, I have to say that that excitement was mixed with disappointment when I found out that no women were on the bill. The same goes for this year’s Rock the Bells. The same goes for rap shows all over the country every day. As someone who organizes and books shows myself, I realize that women are heavily outnumbered by men when it comes to rappers, and that schedules often don’t work out or whatever…so this is really symptomatic of a larger problem. This piece examines why that imbalance exists in the first place, and what we can do about it.—KM]
When people hear the words “sexism” and “hip hop,” the conversation usually starts and often ends with lyrical content. Rappers are disrespectful to women, they use the b-word too much, they objectify women, etc. This is a natural impulse; these days, sexism, racism and homophobia are almost always defined as “a bad person saying something bad.”
Which is, of course, an unfortunate oversimplification. It’s also one reason why indie and underground hip hop often escapes the criticism that’s leveled at mainstream hip hop—because indie rappers are more likely to rap about politics and wack emcees than pimping hoes, and are more likely to have videos set in abandoned warehouses than strip clubs. Their sexism isn’t as in-your-face.
But sexism in hip hop is a lot bigger than rap videos and misogynistic lyrics. It’s the old-boy’s network that keeps women’s voices marginalized. It’s the fact that so ridiculously few up-and-coming emcees, DJs, producers and industry/label people are female. It’s a system that keeps men and men’s perspectives front-and-center in every aspect of the game. It’s an extension of the sexism that permeates the rest of society. And it’s definitely not just the mainstream’s problem.
A NOTE ON TERMINOLOGY
Just to be clear, my use of the terms “indie-rap” and “underground rap” isn’t a dictionary definition one; I’m not talking about all hip hop that is released independently or every artist out there who isn’t on the radio. That would represent a huge range of styles and would be another discussion entirely. I’m talking about “indie-hip hop” as a specific subculture—the backpackers, the “conscious” rap heads, the (largely white and male) community who listens to acts and crews like Rhymesayers, Def Jux, Quannum, Doomtree, Living Legends, Blackstar and Sage Francis.
And this is an important point to make, because I don’t think this conversation should be entirely focused on criticizing the artists themselves; this isn’t about censorship. It’s about examining broader cultural trends that affect and are affected by everyone—the artists, the promoters, the fans and the consumers. Too often we forget that “hip hop” isn’t just rappers and their wacky adventures. It’s a culture, an ecosystem that includes all of us, and we all have different roles to play.

(Photo of Invincible by Erik V. Stephens via MySpace)
MY LYRICAL LYRICISM IS SO LYRICALLY SEXIST
As I mentioned above, sexism in hip hop really goes beyond rappers saying stupid things. However, rappers (even underground rappers) do sometimes say stupid things, so we may as well start there.
One particularly relevant example of how indie-rappers perpetuate sexism is the casual use of the word “bitch.” In contrast to the mainstream’s explicitly misogynistic use of the word, underground emcees more often use it toward other men as an insult, as a challenge to some imaginary wack emcee’s or critic’s manhood.
But when used by a man in this fashion, that word is inherently sexist, no matter what context it’s used in and no matter what the individual rapper’s intention is. Even when used as a simple expletive at the end of a particularly vicious punchline, even when directed at no one in particular, “bitch” is inherently feminine AND inherently negative. There’s really no way around that. A man calling another male emcee a “bitch” is, whether he knows it or not, saying “you’re woman-like and that’s really bad.”
And this is, of course, something a LOT of indie rappers are guilty of, myself included (though not anymore). Even so-called “conscious” rappers and artists who consider themselves feminists do this, convincing themselves that the word is really just an all-purpose insult along the lines of “fool,” a word that has nothing to do with women as long as they’re not directing it AT women. But you can’t separate the eggs once they’re already baked into the cake.
The point of all this is that the impact of the word is more important than the intention of the speaker. It may be a subtle thing, but even subtle things can be dangerous when they’re so universally normalized, as the use of that word is in indie hip hop culture.
And it’s not just about specific words. With underground hip hop lyrics, sexism manifests in even more subtle ways. How many songs about women feature realistic representations of those women? In her essay on sexism in emo music (a similarly deluded subculture when it comes to sexism), Jessica Hopper had this to say:
“…There were songs about women, but they were girls with names, with details to their lives, girls who weren’t exclusively defined by their absence or lensed through romantic-spectres… women had leverage, had life, had animus and agency to them. Sometimes they were friends, or a sister, not always girls to be bedded or pursued or dumped by. They were accurate, and touched by reality.
“And then something broke—And it wasn’t Bob Nanna’s or Mr. Dashboard’s sensitive hearts. Records by a legion of done-wrong boys lined the record store shelves. Every record was a concept album about a breakup, damning the girl on the other side. Emo’s contentious monologue—its balled fist Peter Pan mash-note dilemmas—its album length letters from pussy-jail—its cathedral building in ode to man-pain and Robert-Bly-isms—its woman-induced misery has gone from being descriptive to being prescriptive. Emo was just another forum where women were locked in a stasis of outside observation, observing ourselves through the eyes of others…”
Read the whole thing if you can find it—pretty interesting stuff. Anyways, while indie hip hop songs about women aren’t always heartbroken diary entries, a lot of the above still applies. Quite often, you also get a layer of self-deprecation that further clouds the sexism, as if the fact that the perfect, voiceless and inanimate pedestal woman made the loser anti-hero feel bad somehow makes up for her hollow characterization. Women are very rarely characterized at all—in melodramatic breakup raps they’re defined solely by their absence, and in feel-good, “positive” sex jams they’re perfect and beautiful and thoroughly inhuman.
For people who are used to criticizing Nelly for swiping a credit card through a woman’s ass, this might all seem like pretty harmless stuff. When you compare the subtle sexism of indie hip hop to the rampant, explicit sexism of mainstream hip hop, it becomes easy to forgive some of the artists who are at least trying to not be complete chauvinists.
That may be true, but I think it’s doubly important to talk about sexism in indie hip hop because no one’s doing it. Everyone knows 50 Cent is sexist; fewer people are willing to examine the sexism of their “conscious” heroes, a more realistic and prevalent sexism that affects everyone on some level. This is sexism that often comes wrapped in a big box of good-intentions, sexism that’s so huge and interwoven into the very fabric of the culture that it can be hard to even see. But we need to start seeing it; that’s the first step.
UNDERGROUND HIP HOP: NO GIRLS ALLOWED
We can talk about song content all day, but I’d argue that the bigger issue here is lack of representation. Much respect to Jean Grae, Invincible, the Anomolies Crew, Desdamona, Ang13, Dessa, Psalm One, Maria Isa, Bahamadia and the other great female rappers out there, but they’re drops in the bucket when it comes to indie hip hop as a whole, which is solidly and overwhelmingly male-dominated.
Why is this? I’d have to assume that at least part of the reason is the above-mentioned sexism (subtle or not) in the lyrical content of a lot of indie-rap. Who’d want to dive into a culture where you’re disrespected? Also, an interest in underground hip hop often grows out of an interest in mainstream hip hop (i.e. kids like MC Hammer, then later discover Mos Def, then later start rapping), which is so often explicitly sexist; not to mention the lack of female role models for young, aspiring female emcees. Finally, I’d point to the physical way in which most rappers get started: you find some like-minded souls (statistically, probably men) to build with, you book some shows through promoters or venue booking people (again, often men), you network with other artists (who are usually men); it’s a community experience. With women so often on the outside-looking-in to begin with, it can be hard to build that initial community.
I won’t go too far into why women are underrepresented in indie-hip hop. I think there are many reasons. I’m more interested in what we, as a community, can do about it.

(Uncredited photo of Bahamadia via MySpace)
And this isn’t about tokenism. I don’t think we should throw some wack female rapper on every bill to fulfill some kind of quota. That only compounds the problem. This is about starting at the roots and really building a community that can be truly representative, cultivating the talent that’s definitely out there and breaking down the barriers that stand in the way. A few ideas:
#1) More attention given to young women in hip hop after-school programs and youth hip hop clubs. If you’re a facilitator, don’t assume every girl wants to sing the hook. Focus recruitment and seek out girls who want to rap (or DJ or produce); they’re out there.
#2) As fans, we can actively seek out and support (with our money, when possible) good female artists. I mentioned a bunch of great ones a few paragraphs ago, and there are more out there. And don’t do it out of the goodness of your bleeding heart; this isn’t a handout to the poor, scrappy girl-rappers. Do it because they’re dope and deserve more attention than they get from the male-dominated hip hop media.
#3) There’s always someone who says: “You don’t like sexist hip hop? Then make some that isn’t sexist!” I think this is a cop-out response to this topic (after all, not everyone who doesn’t like sexist music is a musician themselves), but it’s not horrible advice in and of itself. As artists, we can confront sexism head on, or at the very least be conscious of how it plays out in our work. Challenge yourself, especially if you identify as a man; it’s not just on the women to fight this battle—we have roles to play too.
#4) If you’re a promoter, event-organizer or label person, try to put together more representative bills. Again, not through tokenism, but through the hard work of getting to know everyone in your scene, doing research on fresh female artists and not being content to just bring the same ol’ artists in for every event. And let’s not forget—there’s profit in this too; it’s not all altruism. Representative bills can draw new and bigger audiences—everybody wins.
#5) Organize larger-scale events that celebrate women in hip hop. The Twin Cities had “B-Girl Be,” Madison had “Femme Fresh,” NY is hosting this June’s Womanhood Passage Fundraiser (a “special evening acknowledging the strength, beauty, leadership, challenges, and successes of women in Hip-Hop”), and there are more across the country. These events can inspire future artists, can create opportunities for current ones, and can recognize the important (and oft-overlooked) contributions of past ones.
And those are just a few ideas. I’m sure there’s a lot more we can do too.
WHY SHOULD I EVEN CARE ABOUT ALL THIS?
To some, hip hop is a boy’s club and that’s just not worth even attempting to change. It always has been male-dominated and it always will be. It’s just the fundamental nature of the culture.
But I think this is a defeatist attitude. If hip hop is sexist, it’s because we made it that way and continue to make it that way, and we can definitely do something about it.
And this isn’t altruism; I don’t care about fighting sexism in hip hop because I’m a wonderful, enlightened person. I care about it because by marginalizing and silencing women’s voices, we’re missing out on a lot of incredible art that either isn’t getting heard or isn’t getting made to begin with. That’s a shame. Indie hip hop shouldn’t be just a bunch of straight white 20-something males in black hoodies nodding their heads in some grimy club; it should reflect the diversity of its roots and influences. By recognizing the sexism (and racism, and homophobia, etc.) that’s there—even when it’s there in some of our favorite music—we can begin to move toward a truly representative community.
[Kyle “Guante” Myhre is an emcee, spoken-word poet, activist, educator and writer based out of the Twin Cities. Contact him at his MySpace page or blog. A version of this piece appeared in Women in RedZine.]


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You know, to be honest, the representations of women in most fields of popular culture are usually very, very skewed. Women are either degraded to nothingness, or mythologized in absoluteness. Rap, be it mainstream or underground, is just a symptom, not the disease in itself. I can count on my fingers the number of movies/songs that feature realistic portrayals of women.
Perhaps it has something to do with the male dominance of the entertainment industry, or perhaps the reasons go much, much deeper, into the very foundation of our patriarchal society
I am so glad to read this piece. It is awesome to see published, current works that finger the jagged edge of sexism courageously. Cheers to KM for keeping the conversations up, and being an advocate for girls living a voiced life– I’ll keep encouraging my students to find theirs in music.
Thanks kyle. i too loved soundset but also was aware of the lack of females on the bill. Especially with so much female talent in the twin cities, it felt like a big elephant.
A really good article, Guante. I’m passing this one around, for sure.
When I was growing up, there was a decent amount of female emcee’s that broke through to the mainstream: MC Lyte, Queen Latifah, Ms. Melodie, Roxanne, Salt ‘n Pepa, etc…, and say what you want about their message, their flow or their style, they at least made a dent in mainstream hip-hop culture, and were some real hip-hop female role models for young girls to look up to and aspire to be. Nowadays, it seems like females get shifted more towards the R&B side of the spectrum as far as music goes, or they get turned into (or choose to be) sex symbols or actors or both. And, like you were saying Kyle, they get used on the hook of a hip-hop track as opposed to actually delivering rhymes. Hip-hop certainly is a boys-club, and the overly misogynistic lyrics of a lot of emcee’s only perpetuates that discrepancy, and perhaps keeps some women from trying to bust their way into that society. I think your points are valid and well-delivered, Kyle, and hopefully if more people and institutions heed your advice, we will have a wider spectrum of voices from all genders represented in the colorful world of hip-hop.
see Milly July
http://soundverite.blogspot.com/2009/05/milly-july-sneak-chamber-mixtape-summer.html
good read.
wanted to say tho, that dessa prolly woulda been on soundset w/ the rest of them doomtree-ers but she was at bella madre that weekend. apparantly there were contractual obligations that led to being able to only perform at one or the other.
From what I understand she was there, thought she only backed P.O.S. on a single song… Andrea explained things here: http://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenoise/2009/05/is_indie_hip-ho.php
Nonetheless, the issue remains.
I feel the same way. I’ve been trying to bust into chicklit for years.
thank you so much for writing this post. i’m glad that you included tangible solutions to the problem that can actually mobilize people to get up and change things, rather than just writing a sad post about a sad situation. i will definitely pass this along to other people.
i think another thing worth noting though is the fan dynamic of hip-hop. as someone who completely loves hip-hop but has no musical talent whatsoever, it’s as disheartening to see that the genre i love is so male-dominated as it is to see that the crowds of the hip-hop shows i go to are as equally male-dominated. i don’t like it when people assume that i’m there only because the rapper is cute, or because i was dragged by my boyfriend. and i don’t like it when people say it’s “cute” that i can rap along. i understand that that comment may be well-intentioned, but making me feel like i have a sense of entitlement or i deserve additional credit simply because of my gender is as bad as the reverse.
my friend salina put me onto your blog and i’m so glad i checked it out. you say a lot of important and insightful things, and i really appreciate that you take the time to do so.
I am a MC/Producer. I have been in My city’s Seen for well over a decade. I have not excepted that, I’m not being booked for shows because I’m a woman. It really makes me wonder though. View magazine did this article about the HIS-story of Edmonton hip hop. Where was it mentioned that There where Women in the seen?. Like DJ Lady V, and Angeline, and Run_in_Watta and Girlie MC ?. It’s a man’s world and I’ll fight it all the way. every one knows we where there reppin’. guess we are just the arm Candie right?
when there are a large turn outs for hip hop shows and the crowd is asked” where my lady’s at?” it pisses me off. When I perform I go out of my way to let every one know that I’m Edmonton’s only female MC/producer. Generally for society, from my perspective, it’s seem one (a female) either has to water down there lyrical content. Or 2, Go the way of the hoe.. Just to get noticed and be listened too. It makes me rethink and second guess my self all the time. There is too much pressure just to be. I’ve always felt the if you where a woman, you’d have to prove your self that much more.
Even as I write this people are thinking I’m feminist. I’m a equalist, looking for the same dame opportunity as next person. If I talk about sex, it’s because I’m a dirty girl, not a sensual person. If I’m angry, up set, assertive or aggressive, I’m a bitch. If i say another girl is beautiful, I’m gay. This list goes on, and on. when will it stop?, when we pretend that it doesn’t exists? And that it doesn’t effect us, as society. The energy I want to bring is equality.
compassion, education, and love. I want for ever one to have. I hope that many people read this article, and think about how lose terms effect us all. On every scale…
Peace, Run_in_Watta
help support women in Hip hop
I could really appreciate this piece.
It has been a touchy with a lot of emcees and promoters in the area I have been rocking in (CT), and one of the points you brought up, representation, has a lot to do with it over here.
Whenever a female rocks the mic and kills it at one of our monthly events over here it is a BIG deal. The problem we have had though is that is a rarity. We have an over-abundance of scantily-clad women shaking ass in the face of men who have just got off the mic talking about them shaking their ass. It’s severely disappointing. A woman by the name of Eimaj from Buffalo came through and killed it and then the scene was sorely missing that good representation for the next few months.
I could respond (and basically agree) with every point you made for days but I will leave it there.
peace and blessings and thanks again.
Sketch.
I’m a musician, but not operating in the hip-hop genre, but even still I think this does lay out some good points about sexism in music in general as well. I also particularly agree with creating representative bills (if you’re a promoter), but I think the idea of creating entire shows or festivals built around female shows is noble, but at least at times can perhaps have an unintended effect of actually making females seem more like outliers, rather than less. Yes, there are plenty of talented women out there, but putting them all in one show, rather than spreading them out over 20 shows seems to make it seem more like talented women are a fluke, rather than just demonstrating their talent to a less aware audience (because based on the rock shows I’ve seen, rock shows featuring girls in bands are almost entirely attended by women, whereas regular rock shows are usually attended pretty equally).